Goonies project "Short Attention Span" 99 XJ build

[Goonies.nsd]

I will start this build log by mentioning i have the attention span of a knat. Hence the project name "Short attention span" I am known to gather a few Jeep parts but never seem to actually get a build finished. Or maybe it that i have 3 Jeeps on the road and another half dozen give or take as parts rides or intended projects. Just ask the 93 YJ thats been sitting for 9 months. Anyway, figured id give those who dont know me all that well a little disclosure. That being said ENJOY.





OK so alot of you know i Fd up the 92 XJ by jumping it like an :asshole: johns xj jumping - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A8wPAVDtYg&feature=player_embedded)

I peiced it back together but its still pretty screwed up and kinda killed my interest in building it much further. It was also getting some rust issues. So the search for a new XJ started. I wanted another 91 to 95 XJ to build. But Craigs list had other plans. Went to look at a 99 XJ to possibly part out. Or fix. It had a bad tranny. But the seller forget to mention it was only 2WD. So when i said i had no need for a 2WD Jeep he became very negotiable. he was asking $750. Well i took it away for $447. He didnt have change for a $20. So $447 was what he got LOL.


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I have most of the parts needed to make it 4WD. I still have the AW4 and NP231 out of the 98 XJ we parted a while back. And i any D30 will fit up front. But i wanted it to be nice and stock looking. I could need the shifter linkage, proper console, and possibly some sensors and wiring harnesses. Well thanks to fellow OO member NikiXfusco i found a full 4WD donor. Truck has a cracked windshield and has been leaking bad so the interior was full of mold. Also EVERY panal was dented or damaged. So building this 97 was a no go. But it will give me the small parts i need. Paid $400.

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So i now have $847 dollars in play and a crap load of other parts to work with. Will i ever get this project started??? What are my plans???? What do i need that i dont already have hoarded away??? Read on. I dont even know yet.

[Goonies.nsd]

OK so ive made it to a second post in this build. Maybe i will actually build this thing after all. Wait!! Something just popped up on Craigs list.............................Alright im back. What was i talking about??? Oh yeah the 99 XJ. So what are my plans and what parts do i need to gather. Lets start with making it 4WD and the basic need to make it a reliable ride. Overall the truck is clean and the body is straight. It needs the plastic trim peice that goes above the rear plate. No hatch pistons. Or the brackets. No rust anywhere i can find. Motor runs awesome with 180,000. Not bad for a 4.0 Good radiator and belts and hoses. Brakes are good. 3:55 rear 8.25. So just the tranny. I will also need a transfer case and any linkage or sensor issues i run into. And i need a front 4WD axle and both driveshafts. I have the AW4 and NP231 from a 98. I also still have the rear driveshaft from the 98. I have to dig round for a front shaft. Then i will worry about the front axle.

So plan 1 is get it stock and 4WD.

Next is lift plans. I want 33s to fit. Brian (hummeron37s) has a 5 inch XJ lift. 5 inch coils and 3 inch leaves with 2 inch lift shackles. I just have to get them. Ill need a slipyoke eliminator. New shocks. a better trac bar setup. And i already have upper and lower adjustable RC control arms. The sway bar disconnects are to big on my current 4 inch lift so they will be perfecr for the new lift. Im sure theres more to add.

Wheels and tires. I have the Outlaw 1s on the 92 XJ. There 15X8s and will handle 33s just fine. I just spoke to a friend and he bought a set of pretty much new 33s and he cant use them anymore. He wants $200. I have to check them out. But that will do for now until i get 33 inch Super Swamper IROK Mud terrains. It will have Swampers at some point.

Drivetrain. Need a slip yoke eliminator. I want to run the 33s and i dont want it to be a pig. So 4:11s. I have a D30 in the garage with 4:11s but needs later model knuckles and ball joints. So i need to redo that axle. I will also do a lunchbox lockerin the D30. I also have the Ford 8.8 i got from Geoff (tripleg) with limited slip and 4:10s But i need the bracket kit or i may just peice one together. Also need the ujoint flange and i will do a front driveshaft to the back for the slip yoke.

Protection. I have factory front skid, transfer case and gas tank skids in the 92. They will be moved to the 99. Also the trailer hitch from the 92. I also plan to do the 2x6 box steel weld in rocker mod. Hate to cut up good rockers on the 99. If a cheap set of bolt on rocker guards come around i will swith that plan. Also the Olympic winch bumper with the grill guard from the 92.

Other odds and ends. I will move over the 3 core all aluminum Champion radiator to the 99 from the 92. Brown dog motor mounts from the 92. I will also wire up the snow plow setup in the 99. I will still need a plow truck. So the 99 will be a worker as well. More motivation to build the dedicated 93 YJ wheeler.

Im sure theres more to add that im forgetting. Or things i may rethink. Im great at making plans. Follow through? Not so much. Stay tuned.

[Goonies.nsd]

Look at this shit. A 3rd post. WHY you ask. I actually did some work on the 99. I wouldnt have started a build log unless i did something rite??? Well i did ok.

Yanked the 2WD bad AW4 and actually managed to finish something (well sorta). Yanked the bad unit and installed the 98s. Went smooth. All the same wireing. You would be surprised what they changed from year to year. But the 98 went in with out a hitch. Even the 2WD tranny mount bolted rite up to the 4WD unit and the cross member is the same. easy bolt in. Only thing needed is the speed sensor is in the tranny on a 2WD Jeep and on the transfer case on a 4WD. Just needs to be lengthened to work. I may just go that route. Or i may need the whole engine harness from a 4WD. Only thing that would be missing by using the existing wireing is the 4WD shift indicator light. I never trust that anyway. I go by feel and ive had lights stick on or NOT come on. So why bother. So the tranny is in. I need to take the shifter linkage from the 97 donor and install the 98 NP231 under my bench. But i need the linkage bracket that bolts to the tranny/transfer case. Then i will put the NP231 in. Toss the rear driveshaft in. Tomorrow. Unless i get side tracked.


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[Incubus1013]

im excited to follow this as time goes on. Looks like a cool project

[HuLuD44]

Keep it up man! ahaha 5" and 33s will be real nice....

[Tat2dfreak]

I know all about those short attention span projects, i have been planning a soild axle swap for years now, but i can't seem to get it done.

So your looking good so far.

[Goonies.nsd]

I didnt have my camera yesterday so i didnt get any pics of the tranny swap. Since without pics it didnt happen. Here ya go jerks.

Old 2WD out.

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New 4WD AW4 in.

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Thats where i left it last nite. Everything tranny related was installed and plugged in. I left the cross member just holding up the tranny since i needed to redrop it to bolt up the transfer case.

[Goonies.nsd]

Im startin to et worried. 2nd night and more good progress. I did however somehow lose the keys to the 97 donor XJ yesterday. And for the life of me i couldnt find them. :hanged1:
Luckily NikiXfusco has a second key somewhere home. So hopefully i wont have to break into it and hotwire it. So that left me with a problem. I needed the transfer case shifter and the bracket on the tranny and linkage to make the 4WD work. Luckily i have a few extra trucks layin around for such an situation. Enter the green 94 XJ.

Pay attention. There will be a pop quiz and maybe a prize if you can list all the years and model Jeeps i will have in the 99 when im done. So far we have 98 XJ parts and soon some 94.

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It has the same linkage setup. Only a different older looking transfer case shifter. Well i took everything just in case. Easy unbolt for the bracket on the tranny. one 13 mil bolt on the side of the tranny and 2 of the nuts that bolt the NP231 to the tranny.

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Thats the easy part. To get the linkage bracket off the floor board you need to lift the carpet inside and remove the 4 10 mil bolts. they bolt through the floor into the bracket underneath. This requires the removal of the drivers seat and console to lift the carpet properly.

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Success.

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Not to bad. But annoying that you have to remove half the interior to get 2 brackets. With the linkages i needed out of the green 94. I moved on to the 99 and getting the transfer case in before i called it quits.

I put a good bead of silicone around the flange where the tranny and transfer case meat. The rear seal on the trannys are known to leak and a good silicone helps prevent a red puddle in your driveway.

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In she goes.

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Filled the NP231 with 1.5 quarts of ATF4 and bolted in the rear driveshaft. I will need to lengthen the harness or swap over the 97s to make the speed sensor work. I also need to run a breather hose for the 231 from the case up to the firewall.

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I have a case or tranny fluid here at home i will bring in to work. Fill the AW4 and it should be drivable. No speed indication or front driveshaft. But i will be mobile. Next it getting the linkage setup installed. So out comes the seat and up comes the rug. But that for tomorrow. 3 days of consistant work??? I may have to change the name of this build. Actually im fine till i run into a need to BUY$$$ something. Amazing what opening your wallet can do to productivity.

[Goonies.nsd]

Came in this morning with tranny fluid i had at home. Filled the truck and went for a test drive. Frikkin runs awesome. After work today i will pull the seat, rug and console and get the linkage a levers installed.

[HuLuD44]

Great work man. That linkage looked in decent shape too. Looks like the bracket thats on the under side of the tub isnt the kind with the rubber gromits which is a good thing. Should last you longer. Have you put any thought into a cable shifting mechanism like the Novak? At 5"suspension that linkage is gonna be streached to it max.

[Goonies.nsd]

Great work man. That linkage looked in decent shape too. Looks like the bracket thats on the under side of the tub isnt the kind with the rubber gromits which is a good thing. Should last you longer. Have you put any thought into a cable shifting mechanism like the Novak? At 5"suspension that linkage is gonna be streached to it max.

It does have the bushing setup. But there all in good shape. I did think about it and it is a future upgrade in the back of my mind. I will be doing everything i can to NOT drop the transfer case. So hopefully it will not be an issue. I will be lifting the rear with 3 inch leaf packs and 2 inch lift shackles. So the pinion will kick up a bit. Plus when i install the 8.8 i will weld the perches with as much degree as i can without starving the bearings. Plus i will have the slip yoke eliminator. So with all that im hoping for NO transfer case drop.

I also was thinking about the 8.8 today and how i will have to weld on shock mounts. I was gonna buy 5 inch lift shocks for the rear. But since the stock XJ mounts hang so low. I may use my 3 inch RC shocks and weld the mounts on the axle where there will be nothing hanging underneath. Or maybe even buy some nice stock height shocks and have the brackets sit even higher and out of the way.

This truck is getting all the hair brained ideas i had for the red 92 put into play.

[Goonies.nsd]

Long work day and i was shot. So beyond the tranny fluid fill and test drive i called it a day. So i will get the linkage stuff done maybe Monday. BUT i did add more parts to the "i got that" list. Kenny our tow driver towed Brian (hummeron37s) new CJ project from Northport to his place in Selden. When Kenny dropped off the CJ he grabbed the lift kit for me.

BAM!!! 5 inch coils and 3 inch leafs with 2 inch shackles. $200

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Then it got even better. Friend of the shop mentioned he had some 33X12.5 R15s he wanted to sell since they would not fit his Chevy. He wanted $200. From what he said i thought they where ATs he said they where Baja brand. So i thought they where the Baja ATs. A cheap no name brand. But 33s for $200 would still be a good deal. Well he showed up with these.

BAM! BAM!! 33 X 13.5 R15 Super Swamper TSL Bias plys. Not 12.5s but 13.5s.

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There gonna ride like hell. But they will work until i buy the SS IROK Mud terrains i want. Then i can toss these on the YJ if i ever get movin on that. Not a bad day. $400 for a 5 inch lift and 33s Swampers. Ill take it.

[Goonies.nsd]

Im jonesin so bad to try these 33s im thinkin of mountin them up and hackin the 92 XJs fenders till they fit. Who cares about the 92 its gettin torn apart for parts eventually anyway.

[HuLuD44]

If your gonna have to set up the 8.8 with brackets one way or another, you should think about going with a U bolt eliminator instead of standard brackets...

U-Bolt Eliminators (http://www.tntcustoms.com/u-bolteliminiators.aspx)

[Goonies.nsd]

If your gonna have to set up the 8.8 with brackets one way or another, you should think about going with a U bolt eliminator instead of standard brackets...

U-Bolt Eliminators (http://www.tntcustoms.com/u-bolteliminiators.aspx)

Ohhh. Gonna have to rethink this now. That actually almost looks simple enough to fab myself. But with the ability to push the axle back up to 1.5 inches i like that. And the kit comes with Shock tabs. maybe its worth spendin the money. The regular kits cost about the same. Damn Dom, good call.

[purple xj]

Goonies trade me lol i need 5 inch coils ill trade you 3 inch rc coils and 2 inch spacers and cash

[HuLuD44]

Def easy enough to fab up ure self. Much stronger as well. You can prob get it done for way cheaper DIY then buying the kit. Make up some cardboard templates and price out some steel...

[stwilson74]

Geez, I am gonna stop going to google and just start emailing Dom... freakin Jeep part search ninja! LOL! Short Attention looks like its off to a great start, can't wait to see it finished since I gotta kinda stand back and live vicariously for a while here. Those tires have Rausch Creek written all over them!










Pay no attention to the "last edited by Goonies" at the bottom here. I hit a wrong button LOL.

[Goonies.nsd]

Goonies trade me lol i need 5 inch coils ill trade you 3 inch rc coils and 2 inch spacers and cash

Nahh. I already have lift coils and poly spacers in the 92. Dont need a second set LOL.

[Goonies.nsd]

Mon, night progress. Got the seat out of the 99, console out and rug pulled up.

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Yeah free Harbor Freight scissors to cut the rug LOL.
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Very nice of Jeep to have the shifter hole delete and 4 rubber plugs for the linkage in the floor. No drilling or measuring.

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Underneath was pretty straight forward. Bolt the bracket to the tranny/transfer case and bolt through the floor to the bracket. I had to readjust the linkage. But it fit beautiful. Now you know an early model linkage setup like the one i used from a 94 works on the late models. YOU WELCOME!

Did the bracket that bolts from the insade out so i could put my arm through the shifter hole and line up the holes. Much easier.

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Didnt want fumes or even better...water getting in, in the future. So i blobbed some silicone on the shifter base before bolting it down.

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I will be the only late model rockin an early 4WD shifter handle. I like the retro setup bitch.

I vacumed and cleaned the crap under the drivers seat and console. I also cleaned the drivers seat a little. tryin to get the crap stain left by the previous owner of the base. Plus looked like a little Soul Glow residue on the headrest.

SOUL GLO COMMERCIAL - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-aqJ0Qggkg)


Also chose not to put the console back in yet since its nasty and i want to give it a good cleaning before i reinstall it. Oh and i snapped one of the seat bolts. So i need to either get it out or blow it out or redrill a hole next to it. Tomorrow.

Say good night to the poop stain.

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And some sexual chocolate!!!

Sexual Chocolate! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHRERLEM2eE)

[HuLuD44]

AHHAHHAA Yes! Randy Watson....

[Goonies.nsd]

Once the interior goes back together im at a stand still as far as the truck itself. I need to rebuild the 4:10 Dana 30 (ball joints) and cut off the rear Ford 8.8 stock brackets and weld on the new XJ brackets. I need to get an adjustable trac bar and a slip yoke eliminator. Question for the masses. What ya running and who is the best distributor. I have my own preferences but would love some new perspective and ideas.

Adjustabal trac bar. Must be a new body side bracket style. NO TIE ROD END style. Looking at these so far but want more options. Baseline 4x4 Outfitters - 18205.05 - Rugged Ridge Front Adjustable Track Bar, 84-01 XJ Cherokee, 93-98 ZJ Grand Cherokee (http://www.baseline4x4.com/p-640-1820505-rugged-ridge-front-adjustable-track-bar-84-01-xj-cherokee-93-98-zj-grand-cherokee.aspx)
Jeep Accessories - Adjustable Track Bar (http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_xtras_1079.html)
NP231 SYE kit. No need for a driveshaft. But must use a stock front XJ shaft. Pricing the Rugged Ridge kit so far. Baseline 4x4 Outfitters - 18676.60 - Rugged Ridge SYE Slip Yoke Eliminator Kit, Np231, 1987-1995 Jeep YJ Wrangler, 1997-2006 Jeep TJ Wrangler (http://www.baseline4x4.com/p-1072-1867660-rugged-ridge-sye-slip-yoke-eliminator-kit-np231-1987-1995-jeep-yj-wrangler-1997-2006-jeep-tj-wrangler.aspx)
Ford 8.8 bracket kits for an XJ and the u joint flange adaptor for the XJ driveshaft to mate up to the 8.8 flange/yoke. Ford 8.8 Rear Axle Simple Swap (28 spline) - RuffStuff Specialties

(http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/88SS-28.html) And http://www.tntcustoms.com/u-bolteliminiators.aspx

[HuLuD44]

I know you know u get what u pay for... Those are all some vital parts. especially the track bar. IF you have the coin to drop get the Currie track bar and never look at it again. I cant say enough good things about it. If not, take a serious look at the Ironman 4x4 fab track bars. Im running their rear with my Currie front. I love them both.

HEAVY DUTY TRACK BARS: JEEP MJ, TJ, LJ, XJ, ZJ (http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/TB.html)

SYEs, Ive had no experience with RR. I went Advanced adapters but any SYE will do as long as the rear output spine and thickness are solid looking. Advanced adapters, JB conversions, and Novak conversions all make some serious products.



And for that 8.8, I still say that U bolt eliminator is sexy as hell. Huge upgrade and not a very bi price jump.

Id honestly stay away from anything Rugged Ridge or Rough Country... Maybe check out teraflex for their track bar and SYE.

[Goonies.nsd]

I know you know u get what u pay for... Those are all some vital parts. especially the track bar. IF you have the coin to drop get the Currie track bar and never look at it again. I cant say enough good things about it. If not, take a serious look at the Ironman 4x4 fab track bars. Im running their rear with my Currie front. I love them both.

HEAVY DUTY TRACK BARS: JEEP MJ, TJ, LJ, XJ, ZJ (http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/TB.html)

SYEs, Ive had no experience with RR. I went Advanced adapters but any SYE will do as long as the rear output spine and thickness are solid looking. Advanced adapters, JB conversions, and Novak conversions all make some serious products.



And for that 8.8, I still say that U bolt eliminator is sexy as hell. Huge upgrade and not a very bi price jump.

Id honestly stay away from anything Rugged Ridge or Rough Country... Maybe check out teraflex for their track bar and SYE.

Yeah i wasnt set on anything listed. Just started shopping around. I like the RR SYE but just stumbled upon the RR trac bar. I like the u bolt eliminator but feel a little more cozy knowing i have u bolts rapped around the axle. The price is about the same. But i dont see a big problem with the u bolts rapping under the axle being a hang up issue. Gotta think that one through. Thanks for the other suggestions though. I want all the options laid out.

[Goonies.nsd]

Not a huge fan of the mounting style. Kinda want to upgrade the whole bracket on the body side. HEAVY DUTY TRACK BARS: JEEP MJ, TJ, LJ, XJ, ZJ (http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/TB.html)

And i dont see a body bracket for the Currie. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=currie trac bars xj&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.currieenterprises.com%2Fcesto re%2Fproduct.aspx%3Fid%3D1168&ei=iGBMT4zyFuOV0QHPnuD5Ag&usg=AFQjCNFygbAwFxE5qWnI2VJ2ipjNqxkPkQ

(http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=currie trac bars xj&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.currieenterprises.com%2Fcesto re%2Fproduct.aspx%3Fid%3D1168&ei=iGBMT4zyFuOV0QHPnuD5Ag&usg=AFQjCNFygbAwFxE5qWnI2VJ2ipjNqxkPkQ) I like this one. http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-STBCK&Category_Code=PFX

[HuLuD44]

Currie there is no bracket. You drill out the stock mount to 1/2 " and use their beefy grade 8 hardware.

[Goonies.nsd]

Currie there is no bracket. You drill out the stock mount to 1/2 " and use their beefy grade 8 hardware.

Yeah thats what i thought. Dont know why but im not a fan of that design. I like the other style with a bolt through the bracket from front to back. Feels like it will have more leverage and strength. Could just be in my head. Im still looking around. we will see.

[Goonies.nsd]

May go for the RR trac bar and SYE because Baseline has given me a really good price. I would like a heims or johny joint end but want the bracket. Think i may go for the poly bushing kit and upgrade to a better joint when the bushing wears out. Not looking to cheap out but its an easy thing to upgrade down the road. Still thinkin.

Ohh, came across this. http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-XF88BK&Category_Code=XDT

[wb joe]

john that iron man track bar is the best!!! you bolt on there joint eliminator braket to the stock braket and lay a bead of weld around it and man I will tell you that you will never have a prob with that thing and look at his xj tie rod bar with ends he sells a 1.5 and a 1.25.im running the 1.25 tie rod bar and it takes a lot .the last two lift jobs i have done went with the 1.5 and holy shit is that thing beef.and adam's drive shaft has a combo deal for xj's DS & SYE kit for like $375-395

http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/TR.html (http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/TR.html)

http://www.adamsdriveshaft.com/buy_online (http://www.adamsdriveshaft.com/buy_online)

[Goonies.nsd]

john that iron man track bar is the best!!! you bolt on there joint eliminator braket to the stock braket and lay a bead of weld around it and man I will tell you that you will never have a prob with that thing and look at his xj tie rod bar with ends he sells a 1.5 and a 1.25.im running the 1.25 tie rod bar and it takes a lot .the last two lift jobs i have done went with the 1.5 and holy shit is that thing beef.and adam's drive shaft has a combo deal for xj's DS & SYE kit for like $375-395

http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/TR.html (http://www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/TR.html)

http://www.adamsdriveshaft.com/buy_online (http://www.adamsdriveshaft.com/buy_online)

Good call Joe. Didnt think to weld it for extra strength. Gonna have to give it a 3rd look LOL. I dont need a driveshaft with my SYE. Im gonna install the SYE and then the 8.8 and have a front XJ shaft shortened to length. Maybe down the road ill upgrade to a stronger shaft. Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I have alot to think over. And any one else wanna chime in that would be great. More opinions the better.

[Tat2dfreak]

I remember reading something about those u bolt eliminators being a bad idea but it may have been on fullsize rigs.

[HuLuD44]

Just read a review on pirate. Seemed to be more yays than nays. They def arent seen as much as Ubolts but thats kinda why i like them hahah

u bolt eliminators - Pirate4x4.Com (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=648377)

[565matt]

John.. something you havent mentioned at all is waht you are going to do about front control arms with the 5" lift you have planned

[Goonies.nsd]

John.. something you havent mentioned at all is waht you are going to do about front control arms with the 5" lift you have planned

Got it covered. I bought upper and lower RC adjustables from Brian (hummeron37s) the day i jumped the 92 XJ. Ive had them for months and just forgot to add it to the "got that" list.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99 Jeep Cherokee pictures/004-4.jpg
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[565matt]

hahahaha.. youre burning the midnight oil on the project so far.. youre due to loose interest any day now..lol

[Goonies.nsd]

Just read a review on pirate. Seemed to be more yays than nays. They def arent seen as much as Ubolts but thats kinda why i like them hahah

u bolt eliminators - Pirate4x4.Com (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=648377)

Well i did like the eliminator idea. This kinda made my decision for me. http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-XF88BK&Category_Code=XDT For the $80 extra i get the truss. I also like the idea that i can kinda install the u bolt kit and tack it and play with pinion angles. Take it for a drive and when i have where i like it i can do the full welds. I dont get that option with the eliminator kit.

[Goonies.nsd]

OK made a little progress and have come to a point of stand still until i collect more parts. Cleaned the console (it was nasty) and got the Soul Glow out of the seat LOL. Re installed the console and seat and got the snapped seat bolt out of the floor. just need to dig around for the 4WD shift indicator or wait till i get the keys from Nicole for the 97 donor truck (that oddly has donated NO parts so far) to get its indicator.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99 Jeep Cherokee pictures/001-1.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99 Jeep Cherokee pictures/002-1.jpg

NO MORE SOUL GLOWWWWWW. Ok well not perfect but better.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99 Jeep Cherokee pictures/003-2.jpg

I will be sending the red 94 XJ parts Jeep to the scrap yard tomorrow so there will be some of that money set aside for build parts. And i have about $200 worth of alloy wheels and random aluminum in the bed of the MJ. Just gotta get my ass up early one morning to get up to Gershow to get my greenbacks from 565matt. Also need the bed empty in the MJ so i can dig out the axles from my garage and get them up to the shop to start work on them.

So the next step is to start dishin out credit card numbers.

[wb joe]

I realy dont like the front DS in the rear.you are doing all that work to put in a 8.8 for thr strangth and then going to put in a small tiny slip yoke from the front .that thing is like a inch thick. SNAP is what you will hear on a good rock clime heavy load. just my opp

I have 3 DS on my tool box i will take some pics later and show you the slip yoke diff

[Goonies.nsd]

I realy dont like the front DS in the rear.you are doing all that work to put in a 8.8 for thr strangth and then going to put in a small tiny slip yoke from the front .that thing is like a inch thick. SNAP is what you will hear on a good rock clime heavy load. just my opp

I have 3 DS on my tool box i will take some pics later and show you the slip yoke diff

I hear ya Joe. Believe me its a future upgrade. I have plenty to do down the road. But to get it up and running some expense needs to be shed. Also any thing i cheap out on now can be spare parts for the 99 later. I can save the cut to size stocker in the back of the 99 as a break down spare. OR moved to one of the other projects like the Comanche as an upgrade for them. Like now that i have the 5 inch front coils for the 99. I may use the 3 inch coils in the 92 XJ in the Comanche when i tear the 92 down. I dont wheel the MJ nearly as hard and dont need the best of the best in that truck. Same goes for the trac bar. I may still buy the Rugged Ridge for the 99. If i dont like it i will upgrade and use it on another truck.

One advantage to being a hoarder and having a stupid amount of Jeeps LOL.

[HuLuD44]

I realy dont like the front DS in the rear.you are doing all that work to put in a 8.8 for thr strangth and then going to put in a small tiny slip yoke from the front .that thing is like a inch thick. SNAP is what you will hear on a good rock clime heavy load. just my opp

I have 3 DS on my tool box i will take some pics later and show you the slip yoke diff

I run a custom cut XJ front shaft in my rear and I beat the hell out of it locked on 35s. As long as you uses good spice joints and keep the joints and CV greased the shaft is plenty strong.

Slip Yoke Eliminator (SYE) fixed yoke kit, short shaft kit or tail shaft conversion. This kit does not actually eliminate a slip yoke but rather moves it to a different part of the dive train. On the original application the provision for compression and extension of the drive shaft is a function of both the drive shaft slip yoke and the out-put shaft on the transfer case. After the conversion, this provision for compression and extension becomes a function of the drive shaft only.


So What your "eliminating" with the SYE kit is the slip in the tail housing and in some cases needle bearings which weaken the gear/ shaft contact in the T case rear output. But as slip yoke is still needed in the shaft along with the CV or else when you axle drops you would blow a joint or rip you T case in half... The spine count on the after market DS slips yokes is the same as an XJ front shaft. Granted my rear shaft is alomst half the length of one youd run in an Xj. So I have a bit more strength there....The only difference TW offers is different slip set ups for extended travel.
When I build my shafts I had to buy the XJ shaft, rebuild it, then had it cut and balanced to my specs and it cost me about $25 less then just ordering a TW shaft. If you have the shaft already then ull save about $100.

[Goonies.nsd]

I run a custom cut XJ front shaft in my rear and I beat the hell out of it locked on 35s. As long as you uses good spice joints and keep the joints and CV greased the shaft is plenty strong.

Slip Yoke Eliminator (SYE) fixed yoke kit, short shaft kit or tail shaft conversion. This kit does not actually eliminate a slip yoke but rather moves it to a different part of the dive train. On the original application the provision for compression and extension of the drive shaft is a function of both the drive shaft slip yoke and the out-put shaft on the transfer case. After the conversion, this provision for compression and extension becomes a function of the drive shaft only.


So What your "eliminating" with the SYE kit is the slip in the tail housing and in some cases needle bearings which weaken the gear/ shaft contact in the T case rear output. But as slip yoke is still needed in the shaft along with the CV or else when you axle drops you would blow a joint or rip you T case in half... The spine count on the after market DS slips yokes is the same as an XJ front shaft. Granted my rear shaft is alomst half the length of one youd run in an Xj. So I have a bit more strength there....The only difference TW offers is different slip set ups for extended travel.
When I build my shafts I had to buy the XJ shaft, rebuild it, then had it cut and balanced to my specs and it cost me about $25 less then just ordering a TW shaft. If you have the shaft already then ull save about $100.



Oh i have plenty of front XJ shafts LOL. Costs me about $100 to have one shortened. Give or take.

[HuLuD44]

Rick at Deerpark DS did mine for $80. I go to him for all my ujoints and CVs now. Nice guy, former Jar head... IM sure you have someone through the shop though.

[Goonies.nsd]

So no new work done on the 99. But made some funds for the build. Ive had my MJs bed full of crap for like 3 weeks. So much i wasnt driving it and it was sitting in the driveway. Got up to Gershow and made $200 off the aluminum.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/001-2.jpg

Made enough that i ordered this today. Should show up in about 5 days. Cant wait.

IRON ROCK OFF ROAD: XJ Ford 8.8 Axle Swap Kit (http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-XF88BK&Category_Code=XDT)

Also junked the red 94 parts XJ full of other scrap. Made $450. Put some aside to save and kept just enough i should be able to order the SYE and Trac bar tomorrow. Also now that the MJ is not full of crap i will load up at least one of the axles to bring to work. get started on them. $650 made on scrap and spent or saved just as fast. Good day.

[Goonies.nsd]

Also looking to get 2 Bilstein 5100 for the front of the 99. Kolak vendor of Jeep forum quoted me for $145 for the pair shipped. Looked around and dont see a better price. Just looking for the 2 for now until i setup the rear. May need shorter shocks in the back. Anyone know of anyone else running specials on 5100s?

[565matt]

holly crap!!! Goonies actually spent money for once....lol

[HuLuD44]

What size shocks are you looking for in the rear? I have 4" in the rear now but want to get longer ones...

Nice choice on the 8.8 system. That truss is gonna be pretty!

[Goonies.nsd]

What size shocks are you looking for in the rear? I have 4" in the rear now but want to get longer ones...

Nice choice on the 8.8 system. That truss is gonna be pretty!

Havent decided yet. I want to get the 8.8 in and then take measurements. Also need to see what my options are for mounting the shock tabs. I may use the RC in the rear of the 92 for now. Not sure yet. But figured im spendin money why not get some nice shocks up front. Gonna need em with these tires im plannin.

[HuLuD44]

Let me know if you want a set of rear bilsteins. Ill give you a good price. There pretty much brand new. And itll push me to buy the longer ones i need.

[Tat2dfreak]

I like that 8.8 truss, might have to get one of those for mine.

[Goonies.nsd]

Let me know if you want a set of rear bilsteins. Ill give you a good price. There pretty much brand new. And itll push me to buy the longer ones i need.

I will. If the measurements work out ill take em.

[Goonies.nsd]

I like that 8.8 truss, might have to get one of those for mine.

Yeah for the little extra money it was worth it. Plus the badass factor helped LOL.

[Goonies.nsd]

New parts ordered.

Baseline 4x4 Outfitters - 18676.60 - Rugged Ridge SYE Slip Yoke Eliminator Kit, Np231, 1987-1995 Jeep YJ Wrangler, 1997-2006 Jeep TJ Wrangler (http://www.baseline4x4.com/p-1072-1867660-rugged-ridge-sye-slip-yoke-eliminator-kit-np231-1987-1995-jeep-yj-wrangler-1997-2006-jeep-tj-wrangler.aspx)
Baseline 4x4 Outfitters - 18205.05 - Rugged Ridge Front Adjustable Track Bar, 84-01 XJ Cherokee, 93-98 ZJ Grand Cherokee (http://www.baseline4x4.com/p-640-1820505-rugged-ridge-front-adjustable-track-bar-84-01-xj-cherokee-93-98-zj-grand-cherokee.aspx)

Grand total of $300 and they had a promo start today with a $20 rebate.

[wb joe]

nice get that shit on there and come to rausch at the end of the month :dancer:

[Goonies.nsd]

nice get that shit on there and come to rausch at the end of the month :dancer:

If the stars align, hell yeah. Alot to do. On a "my kinda luck" kinda crap. I pulled my back out really bad loading the axles into the MJ today. Im a god damn cripple LOL. Project is keeping my attention. every time i try to move im reminded how stupid i was to load 2 axles by myself. waahhh waaahhh. Sorry whining a little here. Doesnt help that im dieing to start work on the axles but cant :nervous:

[Tat2dfreak]

So with the money made from scrap and stuff, how much do you actually have into this project.

[Goonies.nsd]

So with the money made from scrap and stuff, how much do you actually have into this project.

I was actually gonna go over the numbers tonight and post it. Needless to say, not much. Im pretty sure less tha $1500 with the cost of the truck.

Money spent so far....

$447. for the 99 XJ.
$200. for the used Super Swampers.
$200 for the leaf springs and coils from hummeron37s.
$150. for Rugged Ridge SYE.
$150 Rugged Ridge double sheer trac bar.
$218 for 8.8 install kit with support truss.
$150 for RC adj, control arms upper and lower. from hummeron37s. Bought them about 4 months ago for the red XJ but we know how that went.

$1,497.00 so far. But really only $1,347 recently.

The AW4 tranny and NP231 where from a 98 XJ we parted out early in the summer. I originally pulled the AW4 to sell to Gavin but he ended up not buying it. and the NP231 just never sold. we paid $400 for the 98 parts truck put made well over $3,000 parting it out. So the tranny and case where more tha free. All the other odds and ends came from the Green 94 Parts XJ. I paid $550 for that truck and i have made most of it back and still have ALOT to sell. So money spent but i will get it all back and hopefully make a profit.

I originally paid $650 for the Red 94 Parts XJ but sold about $800 worth of parts off it and scrapped it for $450. So that made some money and donated parts to the 92 XJ when i Fd it up. I set aside $300 of the $450 i made in scrap to buy the RR trac bar and SYE. Rest went into savings.

I made $200 on the aluminum in the MJ. That paid for the 8.8 install and truss kit. But i did pay for those rims when i bought the parts trucks they came on. So that was really just getting back what i spent.

I bought the blue 97 XJ from nikiXfusco for $400 as a donor for the 99. But have yet to need any parts. I will probably take a ton aof spare parts for the 99 and sell off what i dont want.

Ive had a set of Pro Comp wheels i bought from snmstuntbiker like 9 months ago with 34 inch Swampers on it for $200. I may use those wheels on the 99. So i may add that to the build cost if i use them.

The axle cost.... The 8.8 i traded parts to Geoff (tripleg) so no real money out of pocket. The 4:11 D30 i bought with a matching D35 LS rear. I paid $200 for the pair way back in the begining of the summer.

Still more to buy. I need at least front shocks. Got quoted for $145 shipped for 2 front Bilstien 5100s. I need 4 ball joints for the HP D30 i have with 4:10s. About $200 for Moogs. Still need the u joint flange adaptor for the 8.8. Fluids still needed.

All said and done gonna be a bit over $1500 total to get her rollin. I have alot of parts to swap over from the 92. And many more upgrades planned down the road. Like welded in 2X6 box steel rockers, rear bumper, possible bushwacker flat fender flares, front lunchbox locker, HD steering etc, etc. Never gonna be done. But the things related to the the lift and tranny i figured do it rite so i dont have to tear it apart later. Im sure once its rollin ill go back to bein my same cheap ass self LOL.

Updated cost as of 3/7.
$1,497 + $215 for D30 ball joints and bushings. New build total so far = $1,712.00

[Goonies.nsd]

A few days down with a thrown out back and i had to get something done. Trying to keep the momentum. Waiting mostly for parts and i will run into a wall until both axles are finished. Gonna do the rear 8.8 install and the rear lift. Then instal the SYE and have the driveshaft made. Then i will move onto the front. I used the forklift to unload the axles from the Comanche (rather than with my back) and got to cuttin all the brackets off the 8.8. Even with a torch is was a shit load of grinding. Numb hands by the end.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99 Jeep Cherokee pictures/001-3.jpg

Thanks you torch.

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And half hour later and there all grinded smooth.

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Just waiting on the bracket and truss kit. Mon, ill try to get working on the D30 front axle. 4 ball joints and both control arm bushings. And i forgot i still need to order the u joint flange for the 8.8. Im an idiot. Should have ordered it when i ordered the install kit. Yay extra shipping. IRON ROCK OFF ROAD: Ford 8.8 Flange Adapter for 1310 Size Joint (Spicer# 2-2-1379)


(http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-SF88FA&Category_Code=F88S) Also want a nice diff cover fort the 8.8 but its not in the budget rite now. Eventually.

[Goonies.nsd]

Found a great price for the Spicer u joint adaptor. With shipping less than Iron Rocks regular price. Ive never heard of the site. We will see. Autoplicity.com. Dana Spicer Axle Products FORD 88 TO 1310 YOKE ADPT - 2-2-1379 (http://autoplicity.com/products/2015502-dana_spicer_axle_products_221379_ford_88_to_1310_y oke_adpt.aspx) $34.12 with shipping. Iron Rock was the second cheapest i found for $34.99 before shipping. Hopefully i get it in the mail and i didnt just give some 16 year old kid in Nebraska money to buy porn LOL.

[565matt]

dude you could have just given me the money to buy porn

[HuLuD44]

of your spending the coin to make it strong with the axle and SYE you should think about going with a solid fixed yoke. ECGS carries them. I used this one on my swap. Thats one place you dont want a weak point.

FORD 8.8 FORGED 1310 U-BOLT YOKE (http://eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-5767542-ford-8-8-forged-1310-u-bolt-yoke.html)

[Goonies.nsd]

of your spending the coin to make it strong with the axle and SYE you should think about going with a solid fixed yoke. ECGS carries them. I used this one on my swap. Thats one place you dont want a weak point.

FORD 8.8 FORGED 1310 U-BOLT YOKE (http://eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-5767542-ford-8-8-forged-1310-u-bolt-yoke.html)

Oh well to late LOL. I ordered the flange to bolt to the factory Ford flange. Its a pretty beefy flange so im not to concerned. That kit would eliminate the factory one and probably need the driveshaft made a different length. I still need to get my shaft cut but i already ordered it.

[Goonies.nsd]

PARTS...PARTS......PARTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Order from Baseline Outfitters came in on Sat, but i didnt notice it. A large order came into the shop and mine was in the pile. I only ordered the stuff on Wed, so i didnt even look. they are one of the quickest shippers ive ever dealt with.

New Rugged Ridge SYE and double sheer trac bar setup.

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I will try to get the SYE installed soon. I also cleaned up the 8.8 a little better while i wait for the truss and install kit. Also started looking over the 4:11 D30. Its from an 88 XJ with the older brake caliper design. I want to use the more common 90 and later knuckles. I called the parts store and asked if the ball joint numbers where the same old style and new. They said NO. So i was a little concerned since i tossed the earlier style knuckles from the 88 axle long ago. Well i tried the later knuckles on the 88 ball joints and all seems OK. So now i need to order some 88 D30 ball joints. On the order list as well is the upper control arm bushings on the axle and a set of 8.8 disc brake pads.

[Goonies.nsd]

Not much done today. Mounted up one of the Swampers on one of the Pro Comp wheels and checked the balance. 8 ounces is less than i expected on used bias plys with a little scaling in the tread. Also ordered up 4 ball joints and the upper control arm bushings from Moog for the D30. $215. spent there. CLIMB build cost CLIMB. I cant complain. An XJ with 5 inches of lift and 33 Swampers for under $2,000? Yeah i can. Im still cheap.

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[silverzj]

im baffled how this made it to 7 pages already and that you even spent some money! cant wait to see this thing

[Goonies.nsd]

im baffled how this made it to 7 pages already and that you even spent some money! cant wait to see this thing

7 pages doesnt surprise me. But me spending money does LOL. It doesnt feel like im spending all that much since ive been collecting crap and whole trucks for months and even years. But alot of the parts where bought like 9 months ago or more. If i actually kept books on the parts ive sold from the parts trucks. Ive built this truck and made profit. As long as i can fund the build from parting money only im happy. True recycling.

[saharacon87]

Love getting parts. Sye is definitely on my list. Take pics on the install so I know what I'm in for. :-)

[Goonies.nsd]

Love getting parts. Sye is definitely on my list. Take pics on the install so I know what I'm in for. :-)

I plan to. Actually got the extra keys to the 97 blue XJ i bought from nikiXfusco so i can get into it and move it around. I lost the keys to it a couple weeks ago and thankfully Niki found another set (thanks again Nicole). I think i will yank the NP231 from it and toss an extra NP242 i have just so its still movable. That way i can install the SYE without needing to rush if i pulled the case from the 99 out and needed to be able to have it driveable quickly.

No new work other than me mounting up the Swampers one by one. BUT i did get a tracking number for the Iron Rock 8.8 install and truss kit. Hoping for Sat, AND a tracking number for the 8.8 adapter yoke. So i guess nobody stole my money to buy porn LOL. Plus i have all the parts for the D30. Gotta get movin. Parts are comin fast.

[HuLuD44]

The SYE isnt bad at all. I did mine in about 4 hrs while under my Jeep having never opened a tcase before. There is also a really good instal vid from Advanced adapters on youtube.

[Tat2dfreak]

I was looking around at RuffStuff for something and saw these Unirail Reinforcement plates and thought i would share.

XJ Chassis Channel Reinforcement - RuffStuff Specialties (http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/XJRAIL.html)

[HuLuD44]

thats the first thing id do if i had an xj

[Goonies.nsd]

I was looking around at RuffStuff for something and saw these Unirail Reinforcement plates and thought i would share.

XJ Chassis Channel Reinforcement - RuffStuff Specialties (http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/XJRAIL.html)

Came across them myself when i was shopping there site. It is on my to do list down the road. For that price is silly not to. $200 may sound pricey. But with the cost of steel its actually a really nice price. But im in the getting it rolling stage. Thats a down the road upgrade thats high on my list.

[Goonies.nsd]

Cleaning up the rims one at a time. They are polished and had alot of pitting. Needed a nylon grinding wheel to get them decent. They look scratched up close. But still better than they where. I dont really care beyond that. But getting the tires on is a big motivator. Cant wait to see these on the 99.

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Bought the rims originally for the YJ project and i still plan to move these rims and tires to the YJ when i get the Swampers i really want on the XJ. Also chose to use them for now because they are the lightest wheels i have. Less rolling weight and easier to balance. For bias plies i was surprised they have only taken 8 ounces total on each of the first 2 tires.

[Goonies.nsd]

Mental reminder. Gonna put this over here. Under Cover Fabworks, LLC - Ford 8.8 HD Diff Cover DIY Kit (http://undercoverfab.com/fabricated-differential-covers/48-ford-hd-diff-cover-diy-kit.html)

[egodfrey]

I wish i could follow some of these builds closer while deployed. Cant wait to see the tires on

[Goonies.nsd]

Not much today thats interesting. Yanked the NP231 from the 97 XJ and tossed a core NP242 i had layin around so its still drive able around the lot. This way i can install the SYE in the case and leave the other NP231 in the 99 so it stays drive able.

97 Blue XJ

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Case is out and ill tackle the SYE install another day.

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[Goonies.nsd]

Tore open the NP231 before i called it a day. Took like 30 pics. So ill post them up when i have the time or energy to do a step by step. Only got as far as opening it up. No install stuff yet. My back is hurting really bad again and slowing any progress. Hell, its slowing me down during the regular work day and crappin all over a good nights sleep. I gotta figure this out. No medical doesnt help. Im sick and tired of feeling sick and tired.

[Goonies.nsd]

Beavis And Butthead - Boing! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoS1MCF8AeI)

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Goodies from Iron Rock. Nice stuff. Beefy to. I didnt expect such thick stuff. Irony is the only thing not over built is the u bolts. Only half inch thick. The u bolts i can get locally are beefier 5/8ths stuff. But overall i got wood from all the new parts.

And also got my Spicer u joint adapter for the 8.8 showed up in the mail.

[Tat2dfreak]

Can you take a few more pics of the truss from different angles. Thinking about getting one myself.

[Goonies.nsd]

Can you take a few more pics of the truss from different angles. Thinking about getting one myself.

Sure. I will be taking alot more when i weld it on. But i will take some of it off the axle. I pulled it out of the box and just had to see how it looked LOL. Id love the equipment there using because its just SO nice. Clean cuts. So purdy.

[orangecrush4u]

Looks nice I was thinking of getting one kinda similar but for the 9in.

[silverzj]

thats a real nice kit. wish the zj kit came with a truss for when i eventually do the 8.8

[565matt]

that truss just gave me a semi

[Goonies.nsd]

thats a real nice kit. wish the zj kit came with a truss for when i eventually do the 8.8

Found this for an 8.8 swap for the TJ. Should work on yours. Nice looking kit.

8.8 Swap Kit w/ TRUSS for Jeeps - JeepForum.com (http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f43/8-8-swap-kit-w-truss-jeeps-1251653/)

[evilpersona]

ZJ 8.8 Swap Kit with Truss for Grand Cherokee (93-98) (http://artecindustries.3dcartstores.com/ZJ-88-Swap-Kit-with-Truss-for-Grand-Cherokee-93-98_p_280.html)

[silverzj]

ZJ 8.8 Swap Kit with Truss for Grand Cherokee (93-98) (http://artecindustries.3dcartstores.com/ZJ-88-Swap-Kit-with-Truss-for-Grand-Cherokee-93-98_p_280.html)

oh hell yea. im hoping it happens sooner then i hope haha

[orangecrush4u]

That looks stout!!!

[Goonies.nsd]

Ive been buyin all of project "short attention spans" parts without touching the credit card. But this looks like its worth the card balance LOL. http://www.rockridge4wd.com/product-p/15100.10bonus.htm

[silverzj]

Ive been buyin all of project "short attention spans" parts without touching the credit card. But this looks like its worth the card balance LOL. HEAVY DUTY 10,500 LB OFF ROAD WINCH WITH STEEL CABLE, RUGGED RIDGE 15100.10 (http://www.rockridge4wd.com/product-p/15100.10bonus.htm)

well it comes with the foldable shovel so i say its worth it

[Goonies.nsd]

well it comes with the foldable shovel so i say its worth it

I also noticed Baseline 4X4 is offering a deal on the same winch. I messaged him that if he matches it with the shovel or beats it without the shovel id rather spend my money with them. The guy Tony over there has been great. Hes who i got the RR SYE and the RR trac bar from. And ive dealt with him before with a couple purchases OO members made and his customer service is next to none. Im trying to get Planet as a Baseline vendor i was so impressed with them. So if he can beat or match it he gets my business again.

A winch wasnt in my short term plans. But for the rite price what the hell.

[HuLuD44]

I dont know about RR winches... all you hear is horror stories about them. Id take that cash and buy some lockers so you wont need a winch.

[orangecrush4u]

Its hard to say, I would look at other companys. IF it was like $200 I would say why not but for $400 I think you can do better.

[Goonies.nsd]

Some extra pics because there too sexy.

Right Said Fred - I`m Too Sexy (The Original) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk)

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Fat Indian Kid Dancing(LMFAO - Sexy and I Know it) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwAg5mcwwL0&feature=related)

[Tat2dfreak]

That thing looks pretty beefy.

[Goonies.nsd]

That thing looks pretty beefy.

I know that indian kid is beefy as hell.

[wb joe]

if he keeps up dancing like that he wont be...that shit almost mad me pee

[Goonies.nsd]

Well progress has slowed to a crawl. Back is stil a bit Fd up and my sciatic nerve has my right leg half asleep and im strting to stop limping. But by the end of a full work day i have little energy and the dock told me im not gonna get better unless i slow down. So the 99 has been sitting.

But there has been small progress. I installed the Rugged Ridge SYE in the NP231 and its ready to go in the 99. I took ALOT of pics and ill post them up soon.

Second was not exactly a Jeep upgrade and i know i posted his intro. But its still a great Jeep accessory. My future wheelin dog. Ratchet.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/Ratchet/027.jpg
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Been house training him so thats a full time job in itself. So thats been slowing down the build as well. If hes not sleepin you gotta watch him cause when hes ready to go theres no warning LOL.

[Goonies.nsd]

Not much new work done. Back is still kinda tweeked. Going to the doctor tomorrow to see if thay can help. But beyond that im still poddy training the new pooch. So its kinda constatnt supervision for that.

But i did order some new goodies today. Bought a pair of Bilstein 5100s for the front of the XJ. Didnt get the rears yet since i dont know the measurements until i weld on the shock tabs. But i had a long talk with the guy who i ordered them from. He said he would give me the same price on the rears when im ready. AND hes very interested in being a Bilstein supplier for Planet. So we will see how that goes.

[orangecrush4u]

Take it easy, the older we get the harder it becomes to recover.

[Goonies.nsd]

Take it easy, the older we get the harder it becomes to recover.

Tell me about it. I can drag through a work day but it still is sore as hell. But by the end of the day im walking like a cave man. I have nothing left for working on my stuff LOL. I just need to get better and than its time to get in shape. Half my back problem is stupidity and the other is that im getting lazy and not exercising at all.

[HuLuD44]

was just looking back at that truss, do you plan on tying it into the pumpkin at all, cover or housing?

[565matt]

Tell me about it. I can drag through a work day but it still is sore as hell. But by the end of the day im walking like a cave man. I have nothing left for working on my stuff LOL. I just need to get better and than its time to get in shape. Half my back problem is stupidity and the other is that im getting lazy and not exercising at all.

That was my problem.. I started getting a lot of back pain then decided one day to step on a scale.. and holy shit.. the heaviest ive ever been.. now that Im back to going to the gym (well atleast untill the hand surgery) Ive already dropped over 20 pounds and the back pain has gone away.

[Goonies.nsd]

Well i went to the doctor and i have to see some other doctors for the back problem. But i havent been to the doctor in over 8 years. WEEELLLLL, the doctor freeked because i guess i have retardedly high blood pressure LOL. He wants me back to looki into it. Hahah. One more reason to get in shape.

[orangecrush4u]

Did he ask you.. do you eat salty food, do you like licorice, do you drink sambuca???

[Goonies.nsd]

Not what i would call big progress. But i did get the drivers side ball joints done on the 4:10 D30 today. Also mocked up the spindle and axle shaft and bearing. The reason i did that was because the D30 is out of an 88 and the spindles a 91 and later style. The pre 91 D30s had a different caliper style and therefore had a different spindle. I wasnt 100% sure they could swap over. Well so far it looks good. I did need the torch to get the bottom joint free. Tough SOB. But fire makes it all better.

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New Moog ball joints. Yay.

[orangecrush4u]

Glad it worked out for ya, heat always helps:mad2:

[HuLuD44]

Looks like a fresh coat of paint is in order...ahahah

[Goonies.nsd]

Looks like a fresh coat of paint is in order...ahahah

Yeah im gonna give it a shot of black when its all together. I knew id need to heat it and it would have wasted the paint. Also debating on fitting an Aussie into the budget before i put the axle together. Not that its so hard in the truck. But it would be nice to install the axle locked and ready. We will see. I just bought a 91 XJ parts truck. Maybe i can make some extra build cash.

[Goonies.nsd]

Stayed a few minutes after work and got some more small things done. I finished the ball joints on the D30 and changed the 2 bushings. Also put the other spindle on. So know it just needs a coat of paint and the axle shafts and bearing slapped on. I also mounted the 3rd rim and tire. I still have to clean the 4th. Im doing a 4.5 inch lift on Cybergrunts 99 XJ. Mines twin LOL. So i couldnt help myself before i left for the night.

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Mine will be a little higher and i couldnt see how it would look on the ground since i only have 3 tires. But it was good motivation.

[LIsurfcasters]

Tires look good what size you end up going with?

[565matt]

hahahah about time cyber got to lifting it...lol

[Goonies.nsd]

Tires look good what size you end up going with?

The lift will be about 5 inches. The rims a 15X8s with 3.75 backspace and the tires are Super Swamper TSL Bias plys. 33 X 13.5 R15s. Cybergrunts lift is the Rough Country 4.5 super flex kit. Mine will be a peiced together kit.

[Goonies.nsd]

hahahah about time cyber got to lifting it...lol

Yup 4.5 inch kit with adj, upper and lower control arms with johny joints. Hack and tap NP242 and a front XJ shaft for the rear driveshaft. So he wont need the transfer case drop. Kit is pretty complete. extended brake lines, adj trac bar. Its nice.

Hes catchin up to ya LOL.

[Goonies.nsd]

With the front D30 rebuilt for the most part. I got going on the Ford 8.8

Cleaned it out and checked everything over for wear or any other problems.

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Set up where i wanted the pinion angle. Went with about 12 to 13 degrees. With the shackles as part of the lift it should bring it around 15 to 17 degrees. Any more and id worry the pinion bearing with starve for fluid.

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Zeroed out the spring perches and tacked them for now. I wont weld them permanent until i have it in the truck and im happy with the angle.

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Directions are very complete with the 8.8 beacket kit. Said 3 7/16s from the back of the back plate to center the spring perches.

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Also some new goodies. Cybergrunt was kind enough to give me his RC supplied adj sway bar links since he had better ones in his truck already. Also sold me his old budget boost for a good price.

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The budget boost is complete with 4 shocks. So the shocks are for a 2 inch lift. I may use them in the rear of the 99. Since i plan to mount the shocks higer up on the axle the 2 inchers may work out well. We will see. If not maybe my brothers 88 XJ Pioneer may be gettin a small lift.

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Finally some before and after comparisons from my 99 to Bills 99. Has me motivated to make his look as puny as he makes mine look rite now.

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Overall with lift and tires its almost a 9 inch difference. Hopefully mine will net 10 or 11.

[Cybergrunt]

Thanks again John, the Jeep's riding like an animal!

[orangecrush4u]

Big difference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I had a 8.8 in my stang and I beat the piss out of it and it held its ground.

[Goonies.nsd]

Had a friend Scuba Steve up at the shop welding a Mustang II front end in a 48 Chevy chassis we are working on and he welded up the axle tubes on the 8.8. I can weld OK but this kid is an artist. Plus welding regular steel to Cast steel is not for newbs if youve never done it. We heated up the cast and he layed down some welds. Came out nice.

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Hes gonna come back to weld on the truss when i get the axle installed. Figure a truss that pretty deserves some pretty welds.

I also brought the 99 in and started shedding parts in the rear so its easier and quicker whatever night i stay and get the axle in.

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[Incubus1013]

Nice lift! Is that the jeep that was there when I stopped by the other day? Looks good. Sorry to stop by so late. We were in the area and figured why not. Thanks for taking the time to talk to me and my dad after hours. He will be dropping it off sometime next week.

[Cybergrunt]

Thanks, John knocked that install out of the park. It was only there for a couple of days which is amazing considering I didn't get the hack n tap over to him until late on the second day.

[HuLuD44]

nice progress still being made. Cant wait to see that truss on! Hoping it gives me a little motovation to start my 4 link

[Goonies.nsd]

Nice lift! Is that the jeep that was there when I stopped by the other day? Looks good. Sorry to stop by so late. We were in the area and figured why not. Thanks for taking the time to talk to me and my dad after hours. He will be dropping it off sometime next week.

Yup that was Cybergrunts 99. 4.5 inch RC lift. And no prob stopping by. People stop in all the time. Always welcome. And it was nice to meet your Dad.

[Goonies.nsd]

nice progress still being made. Cant wait to see that truss on! Hoping it gives me a little motovation to start my 4 link

I cant wait either. Id love to have it on now, but i know its smarter to wait ubtil the axle is in and i know theres room for everything.

[purple xj]

Coming along good how did you treat the welds after you welded the tubes to the housing did you wrap it at all or did you let it cool down by it self?

[Goonies.nsd]

We used the torch to heat the cast and let it cool naturaly. You dont want to cool cast qhickly. In a perfect world you want to bury it in sand to cool much slower than normal. But Scuba the kid that welded it said he could tell the cast quality was really good when he was welding it so he suggested just letting it cool down as it sat. He may be alot younger than me but if he says so i listen LOL. He went to competition s for welding. He really takes that stuff seriously. He wanted to join the military so he could get into there underwater welding team. He lives for this stuff.

[Goonies.nsd]

Big progress but wish i had time to do more. Had to get home.

Yanked the C8.25 out and got the lift springs in the back installed and the Ford 8.8 bolted in. Didnt get much more than the axle installed. No brakes or shock set up. I also need to swap out the transfer case for the SYE NP231 so i can see if one of the driveshafts i have around will work or need to be shortened. The lifted leaf springs gave me a hard time. The 2 inch shackles that where bolted to the springs had pretty worn out bushings. So i decided to use the 2 inch RC shackles i bought from Cybergrunt since they are only about a year old. Well the older shackles had other ideas about coming off smoothly. One of the bolts that went through the lift springs bushing was rusted in the sleeve and did not want to come out. i needed the bushing to survive so it took over an hour of heat, air hammer and prying to get it out. I ended up having to cut the older shackle to get the sleeve out with the bolt still in it and heated it up and finally got it free. PITA!!!!!!!!

Anyway, i finally got the shackles swapped and the shackles, springs and axle installed.

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Anyone want to buy a 29 spline 3:55 geared Chrysler 8.25? Never been wheeled since it was a 2WD truck

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Axle out.

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New springs and setting up the 8.8

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I measured the truck from the floor to the fender flare in back and it sat at 30 1/2 inches. Between the springs, shackles and the taller spring perches on the 8.8 i got a measurement of 37. About 6 1/2 inches of lift. I didnt even try the Swampers yet since i was stressed for time. Im sure it will settle but about 6 will be a nice height.

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Im chomping at the bit. I wish i had finished more. But im even more exited to get it done now.

[Tat2dfreak]

Those are nice welds, what would he charge to do something like that.

[Goonies.nsd]

Those are nice welds, what would he charge to do something like that.

Good question. Ive been trying to get him into bumper building and fab work. Hes damn good. But hes 23 and has a girlfriend that keeps his testicles in her purse LOL. So gettin him for more than 5 minutes is a task. Ill ask him though. Do you just need the tubes welded?? Or more work done?

[mygrayzj]

I have a newbie question, but would it be better for me to have that C8.25 in the back of my ZJ instead of the Dana 35? If so, could I just get a quick run down of why and how much you want for it lol. Know the 35 likes to break itself on the trail (I think I know atleast :) )

[HuLuD44]

Looking good man, Makes me wish I had a lift and fork lift when I did mine! ahhaa Those leaf bolts always suck. What are you planning for bump stops if anything?

[egodfrey]

Looking good man, Makes me wish I had a lift and fork lift when I did mine! ahhaa Those leaf bolts always suck. What are you planning for bump stops if anything?

Fenders=bumpstop

[Tat2dfreak]

Good question. Ive been trying to get him into bumper building and fab work. Hes damn good. But hes 23 and has a girlfriend that keeps his testicles in her purse LOL. So gettin him for more than 5 minutes is a task. Ill ask him though. Do you just need the tubes welded?? Or more work done?

I want the tubes welded on my Dana 44 for my axle swap. I would like to weld the tube on the 8.8 in my truck to buy that can wait. Let me know.

[Goonies.nsd]

I want the tubes welded on my Dana 44 for my axle swap. I would like to weld the tube on the 8.8 in my truck to buy that can wait. Let me know.

Ill talk to him and let you know.

[Goonies.nsd]

Looking good man, Makes me wish I had a lift and fork lift when I did mine! ahhaa Those leaf bolts always suck. What are you planning for bump stops if anything?

Yeah a lift and even the fork lift are a luxury LOL. Bump stop wise i havent gotten that far. I have plans, but need to see how i am going to mount the shocks, the truss, the brake lines and anything else i need. Once thats all dialed in ill figure out a bump stop plan. Im not even gonna weld in the truss until i know i have the pinion angle where i want it and the front is lifted. The leaf perches are lust tacked in so far. Ill drive it and if all is good ill burn them in permanent.

[Goonies.nsd]

I have a newbie question, but would it be better for me to have that C8.25 in the back of my ZJ instead of the Dana 35? If so, could I just get a quick run down of why and how much you want for it lol. Know the 35 likes to break itself on the trail (I think I know atleast :) )

The C8.25 is a better axle than your D35. But its pricey to buy a weld on bracket kit to make it work in your truck. http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-ZF88BK&Category_Code=PFZ Then you have to have everything welded on to make it work. You would be better off buying an 8.8 like that kit is made for. Or just find a Dana 44 rear from a late model TJ. That would be almost a perfect bolt in.

So the moral of the story is that the C8.25 is a great axle but to much hassle to make work in a ZJ or TJ. Its a great upgrade for XJs and MJs and even cheap enough if you wanted in a YJ.

[mygrayzj]

The C8.25 is a better axle than your D35. But its pricey to buy a weld on bracket kit to make it work in your truck. http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-ZF88BK&Category_Code=PFZ Then you have to have everything welded on to make it work. You would be better off buying an 8.8 like that kit is made for. Or just find a Dana 44 rear from a late model TJ. That would be almost a perfect bolt in.

So the moral of the story is that the C8.25 is a great axle but to much hassle to make work in a ZJ or TJ. Its a great upgrade for XJs and MJs and even cheap enough if you wanted in a YJ.

Ok thanks, just knew the D35 was a POS, wasn't sure what worked and what didn't. Coming along nicely, now you gotta get all the other crap done.

[Goonies.nsd]

More stuff done after work today. Got the NP231 with the SYE swapped in and used a front driveshaft from ZJ and it works but i think it may need to be lengthened an inch. It doesnt seem to be 100% fully extended. But t looks like it only has about a half inch left at full travel. I dont like the idea of it haveing the least amount of spline making contact. Hoping it would work and save me the money to have one lengthened and also make future replacement cheap and easy. Oh well.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/004-8.jpg
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Also tossed tossed the calipers on. Im going to temporarily set the brakes up so i can test drive it after the front is lifted. I still need to be sure the pinion angle is where i want it before i run nice steel brake lines and install the truss and shock positions.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/008-6.jpg
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And i had to see it with the Swampers on. Measured out to have 10.5 inches higher between lift and tires. I may actually drop it down an inch with the adjustable shackles. Its fricken high. I want stable.

Truck has 7 degrees of rake rite now with the front still stock. Looks funny as hell. Like a tractor sled puller LOL.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHhbK4vdIhwHPyWHMROJk2KwTj4t5I0 yQ_EJa03uFXx51K_8TLzg

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Need to get a factory drivers rear rubber brake hose and i will make a new mounting bracket up on the fraim rail further back. A stock Explorer hose will be long enough. But i will start taking some parts i will be shedding off the front suspension and get prepped for the front lift and axle install. Hopefully get it in on Saturday. But ill spend the week getting the odds and ends movin along.

[HuLuD44]

The rear end height looks pretty good. Its def gonna have to be tall to clear them 33s. If you plan on lowering it you might have to some trimming. Id try to avoid that since its such a clean Jeep. Def flex it out on the fork lift before you do any height adjustments.

[mygrayzj]

I think it looks fine just like that, 10 inches of lift in the back and leave it stock on the front. People would give you way more attention that way lol. Looks good though

[Goonies.nsd]

Got some pics of the Jeep tractor in better light.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99 Jeep Cherokee pictures/002-7.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99 Jeep Cherokee pictures/003-10.jpg

Actually sits level up on the hill Haha.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99 Jeep Cherokee pictures/005-11.jpg

Thats the pile of parts the 99 is shedding on the floor at the bottom of this pic.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99 Jeep Cherokee pictures/006-11.jpg

Also started removing parts from the fron end getting ready for the front lift and axle swap. Yanked the shocks, trac bar, sway bar links. Also setup the adjustable control arms to the length i want them at.

Also drove the truck down the road. Not suggested with no rear brakes and a vice grip sealing the rear line LOL. No vides that i can feel yet. Also the posi works and the 4:10s are just fine for roasting the 33s. Power braked it and walked it side ways in the lot. I dont know how people can run 33s on 3:55s or less. I know people say it feels just fine. But theyve never driven a truck with better gearing LOL.

[HuLuD44]

Gears FTMFW! ahahah as far as mounting everything on the axle, doesnt your truss contore to the diff pretty well and have to be mounted at zero to the diff? Also I would assume since there are no links in ure rear suspension it should just be set at 0* relative to the diff rather than 0* to the frame and not matter too much except for gas tank clearance. And your shocks, i forget which ones you picked up but what ever size you have should be pretty self explanatory what length to mount the axle brackets at. the thing to decide is wither to run shorter shocks and mount above the tube or longer and below the tube. If you didnt pick up a set yet Ballistics and Ruff stuff sell a nice variety of axle side shock tabs for $2.00 a pair

[Goonies.nsd]

Gears FTMFW! ahahah as far as mounting everything on the axle, doesnt your truss contore to the diff pretty well and have to be mounted at zero to the diff? Also I would assume since there are no links in ure rear suspension it should just be set at 0* relative to the diff rather than 0* to the frame and not matter too much except for gas tank clearance. And your shocks, i forget which ones you picked up but what ever size you have should be pretty self explanatory what length to mount the axle brackets at. the thing to decide is wither to run shorter shocks and mount above the tube or longer and below the tube. If you didnt pick up a set yet Ballistics and Ruff stuff sell a nice variety of axle side shock tabs for $2.00 a pair

The truss can be mounted up to 15 degrees from zero (zero being the diff cover. The directions state to get the axle at the degree you want and then mount the truss. Is does require some modding to make it work at crazier degrees. My axle is piches about 13 degrees. The truss will sit at zero in relation to the leaf spring perches and clear everything.

Shocks wise im going to mod the supplied mounts from the kit and mount them higher. So i will be using a 2 to 3 inch lift shock for the back and have no shocks hanging under the axle. I quickly looked at the Rough Country shocks i bought off Cybergrunt. There for a 2 inch lift. They should work fine and the mounts on the axle will sit about mid axle tube and possibly to the lower part of the truss. I also need to run the brake lines wihich id like to run inside the truss. AAANNNNDDD the rubber lines from the calipers need mounting spots. Unfortunatly the cleanest place for them is in the same area as where the drivers rear shock mount wants to be.

Just not rushing it and trying to make it look like it was like that from the factory.

[egodfrey]

We are so going wheeling together when i get home

[565matt]

Im in on that one!!!

[Goonies.nsd]

You gotta deal. On a fun note. The 99 XJ has NO shocks rite now. Theres also no sway bar hooked up or trac bar. I was power breaking and goosing the gas in the lot. It started hopping like a Olds Cutlass on hydrolics. I got the nose off the ground a few times LOL. I had to stop before i broke something. But there was a good group of people laughing there asses off. I mite see if i can get some video tomorrow.

[Goonies.nsd]

Good stuff gettin done yesterday. I did get some new goodies in the mail a few days ago but never posted it....so here ya go. MMMMM so purdy.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/008-7.jpg

OK with that out of the way. I stayed late Sat, and got the front lift, control ams and axle in.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/015-6.jpg
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Newish axle ready to go in.

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Best tool ever for getting control arms lined up when they refuse to do it.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/021-4.jpg

And TADDAAAA!!!

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Alot left to do but at least it sits where i want it. A little sag (about1/2 inch) on the passenger side. Its a used set of springs so it was expected. At least its on the passenger side. if someone sits in the truck its level. Maybe i got lucky and i installed the springs opposite of there previous home.

I still need to extend the brake lines, install the drop pitman arm and align it, install the trac bar, shocks, fill the diff and install cover. Thats the front. In the rear i need to do the brakes line routing, weld in the perches permanent, weld the truss in, and im sure much more. Lots to do.

Heres a pic when the rear was just lifted. Parked next to a stock parts XJ i have.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/007-7.jpg

[HuLuD44]

Looks damn good!

[egodfrey]

Looks great man.

Nice to come on here and see some good stuff. Had a hell of a day today.

Im going to compile a list of OO guys i wanna wheel with when i get home, you, hulu, and matt are certainly 3 of them. Definitly need to make this happen

[Goonies.nsd]

Looks great man.

Nice to come on here and see some good stuff. Had a hell of a day today.

Im going to compile a list of OO guys i wanna wheel with when i get home, you, hulu, and matt are certainly 3 of them. Definitly need to make this happen

You can be a trail guide for some upstate trails. I gotta alot of things to still do. Tryin to get as much done as i can and maybe, just maybe pop its cherry at "go topless" at Rausch. A month sounds like plenty of time. But its really not LOL.

[Goonies.nsd]

Also looking around for a spacer between the spicer 8.8 u joint adapter and the 8.8 axle. I have 2 ZJ CV driveshafts in the truck and the rear is fitting but a little stretched. I can have it lengthened. But id like to have easy repair shafts available. So if i space the rear i can carry stock ZJ shafts that work front and rear. Same size fits all.

So if anyone knows where to find some that would be great. Best i found was some 5/8ths ones. Like to space it about and inch. I can double up but would rather have the strength of 1 solid spacer.

http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-SF8DS

http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=ST68+01

[HuLuD44]

Yea i hope you can pull this thing together for Go Topless.... Gonna be a good time. Erik, we ll def get something together when you get back!

A full inch is gonna be tough to find. Not the strongest way to do it but def a good idea for having the spares readily available. Just pick up 4 ironrocks and plug weld them together. but not sure if that will effect the balancing.

[Goonies.nsd]

Yea i hope you can pull this thing together for Go Topless.... Gonna be a good time. Erik, we ll def get something together when you get back!

A full inch is gonna be tough to find. Not the strongest way to do it but def a good idea for having the spares readily available. Just pick up 4 ironrocks and plug weld them together. but not sure if that will effect the balancing.

Yeah i may oreder 4 because there cheap enough and try 2 and see how it sits. Im not to concerned about strength since the 4 bolts are more than overkill. If i cant snap the shaft or its splines im not worried about the big flange. And the reason i want to space it is because i want more spline contact in the drive shaft. The shaft has another inch of travel rite now and i want more spline inside. The flange and spacer should be fine. Just need to be sure the longer bolts are high grade.

[tripleg]

looking badass

[565matt]

Rigs looking good John... Youre giving me motivation to keep going on mine now.... (cant let you beat me) hahahhaha

[egodfrey]

Lockers, Lockers, Lockers

[Goonies.nsd]

Lockers, Lockers, Lockers

Oh theresa an Aussie in the future for the D30 once theres some money to be spent :)

And im happy with the limited slip in the rear for now.

[Tat2dfreak]

Looks pretty good.

[Cybergrunt]

Looks great man! Mission accomplished, just dwarfed mine with them murders.

[Goonies.nsd]

More done after work today. Nothing insane. But theres alot of odds and ends to be done. So a little each day will do wonders.

I installed the Rugged Ridge trac bar. The directions are stupid though. The axle end of the bar has a 1/2 inche sleeve but the directions say to reuse the 10 mil bolt. Well i drilled the hole in the axle out to 1/2 and bumped it up to 1/2. Also put my experimental D30 double wall cover on and filled the front with fluid. And also swapped the stock pitman arm out for the one egodfry traded me a few months back. (i made the trade with no forseeable use at the time) One more check in the "this is why i hoard things" list. I think some steering components will need to be replaced. Some play here and there. Also need to order a steering stabilizer.

Plenty to do.

Also noticed Under Cover Fab is having a free shipping promo on JF. http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f43/free-shipping-promotion-ucf-limited-time-only-1356871/ Cant decide whether to order the DIY 8.8 and D30 covers for the 99 XJ. Or get the 8.8 for the 99 and the D44 for the Comanche. Ive got 48 hours to fugure it out.

[egodfrey]

Yup when I went otk i had to get rid of my drop pitman arm, so i traded goonies my drop one for a stock one.

Nice too see your using it now. A piece of my rig is now on yours hehe

[HuLuD44]

Id say throw the reinforced 30 u made on the MJ and buy 2 new for the XJ. Your gonna want 2 beefy covers on the XJ. The MJ will be ok with out a rear for a while, rears def arent that important.

[Goonies.nsd]

More itsy bitsy progress today. I need to remember my camera. Keep forgetting.

Anyway. Installed the Bilsteins and a temporary almost new steering stabilizer. Also trying to mock up all the stuff on the rear 8.8. I need to figure out the barke lines, shock mounts and the truss and make them all coexist and look clean and stock. The drivers side stock 8.8 rubber brake line is also the T for the brake line from the axle to the frame. So i ordered a second passenger hose so the right and left are the same. Also ordered an early 90s Dakota line for the frame to axle. I will route the steel lines and the Dakota line inside the truss so its hidden and out of sight. I also started modding the shock mounts that came with the install kit. Making them so they sill sit higher and not hang under the axle at all. I also made a neat mount for the Dakota line so the rubber line will enter into the truss through the center of one of the holes in the truss. hard to explain. I need to get some good pics.

[Goonies.nsd]

Cybergrunt came in today for a post suspension torque down check on all the new lift parts. I got some pics of 2 bruthas from anotha mutha.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/001-10.jpg
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My 99 has hit puburty and had a growth spurt. To think just a couple weeks it was wearing size 225 shoes.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/016-4.jpg

Now Cybergrunt is just a widdle guy. hahaha.

[Cybergrunt]

We need the Like button back, that's funny man!

[Goonies.nsd]

Also did some fit and finish just without the finish. I am taking alot of time to set up this rear. But i only get one chance to get it how i like it. Once that truss is welded in, its in. No backsies man LOL.

Rad the steel brake lines and welded on some mounting bolts for the rubber hoses.

The raised frame to axle brake hose mount. I used a half inch bolt and cut most of the head off and used a shock sleeve as a spacer.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/006-13.jpg
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Then i used some 3/8s bolts for the caliper hoses and used spacers to keep them away from the axle.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/008-8.jpg
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I mentioned yesterday how i wanted the frame to axle brake hose to route into the truss. This is the reason for the raised mount. the hose now comes cleanly through one of the holes in the truss.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/011-6.jpg
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Then i made up the steel lines on the axle. they may look strange without the truss. But they will run high inside the truss and not be visable once the truss is on.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/016-8.jpg
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Thats about all the steel line you will see.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/013-7.jpg
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And just some pics of the truss as it will sit when its welded on.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/019-5.jpg
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I want to make sure i have no vibes from the pinion angle before i weld the truss on. This has been holding me up. I did a quick alignment and took it for its first ride around the block. Well with those tires it could have the worst vibes ever and i would never know LOL. So i may toss my Comanche 31s on and take a drive. Another issue is that the rubber brake hose runs through the hole in the truss. If i bleed the brakes to do a good test drive i need to remove the hose to get the truss on. Not a big deal but it means i will have to bleed the brakes more than once if i want to to a few test runs. Ahh it is what it is. Also does not help that i have no rear shocks. The retooled shock mounts will be welded half on the axle tube and half on the truss. So they cant be installed until the truss is on permanent.

PITA. At least i will be happy when its done and it will be done rite. No cut corners here.

[Goonies.nsd]

And BAMMM. New diff covers on order.



UCF048
Ford 8.8 HD Diff Cover DIY Kit
$69.99
1
$69.99


UCF013
Dana 30 HD Diff Cover DIY Kit
$69.99
1
$69.99



Products
$139.98

[mygrayzj]

Those are some really funny pics. The pick on your 225s next to Cybers looks like the difference between yours and Cybers now lol

[Tat2dfreak]

I might have to order up one of those trusses, it looks good.

[Cobrajet94]

that truss looks SICK! where did you get it?

[Cybergrunt]

Those are some really funny pics. The pick on your 225s next to Cybers looks like the difference between yours and Cybers now lol

That's just cold man. It's not that drastic, is it? :tongue:

[mygrayzj]

That's just cold man. It's not that drastic, is it? :tongue:




http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/004-11.jpg


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Ok not that much, but there is definitely a difference :D

[Goonies.nsd]

that truss looks SICK! where did you get it?

Iron Rock Offroad. Theyve got alot of nice products. I highly recommend them. I have a few more things from them on my future list. They also make a truss for the D44 as well.

http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IROR&Product_Code=IR-XF88BK&Category_Code=F88S

[Goonies.nsd]

Ordered a few of the 8.8 flange spacers from Iron Rock. Have to add that to the build cost. About $40. with shipping.

Also the diff covers are running $140. with free shipping.

So i have to add this up when i do the build cost total.............+ $180.00

Oh almost forgot....$40. for the 2 brake hoses..........$220.00

[565matt]

hahahaha stop spending money.. youre making me look like a cheap bastard

[Goonies.nsd]

hahahaha stop spending money.. youre making me look like a cheap bastard

No im the cheap bastard LOL. But im at a point where the wallets open until the truck is on the road. I need to get this thing done HAhaha. Just goes to show you cant just buy a kit normally and just throw it on. The extras pile up. But i think im still safely under the $2500. budget with the price of the truck. But it gonna be frickin close.

[Goonies.nsd]

More small jobs checked off the list. I extended the speed sensor wire and now have a working speedometer. Which was nice since it kicked a check engine light for no speed signal LOL. I also swapped the tires from the Comanche on to the 99 so i could get a good feel if there was any vibrations from the pinion angle or any other vibes. There 31 and only ATs. Good news is that there are none. But boy oh boy to 31 spin like hell with 4:10s and a posi LOL. I was baking them through 2nd gear down the side road Hahaha. If i had no vibes then i think im in good shape. So i can go about welding all the goodies to the 8.8 permanant. Also put a breather hose in for the front axle and the transfer case.

[orangecrush4u]

Its great when you get all those small things done, somehow you always forget.

[Goonies.nsd]

Its great when you get all those small things done, somehow you always forget.

I get quite a few people coming in the shop wanting lift kits and axles swapped and they always seem to forget too LOL. They always wonder why so much??? I kill most offroad shops asses when it comes to pricing haha.

[Goonies.nsd]

Well the truss is burned in. Also the perches are in and they are really in. Scuba wleded the hell out of them LOL. I mounted a set of slicks on his Nissan and he traded hise welding skills. Like i said before, i planned to weld the truss and everything in. But he really wanted to do it and with welds like these how can i say no. Its like art on my truck LOL.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/dochopper09/99%20Jeep%20Cherokee%20pictures/001-11.jpg
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All thats left is getting the frame to axle brake hose hooked up and the rears bled. Than some paint. I do have the new UCF diff cover in the mail and i have to get the shock mounts on. Scuba will come back when the cover arrive and do the covers and the shock mounts all at once. Then its time to paint. I think the axle will get semi gloss black and the truss and diff cover will get a nice gun metal grey or maybe a little lighter for some contrast and to show off that sexy truss.

Movin along.

[Tat2dfreak]

I think I will order one of those trusses and maybe have it weld on at the same time as the tubes when i get the rear done.

[orangecrush4u]

Looks Bad azz!!!!!!

[HuLuD44]

thats a beautiful thing!

[Goonies.nsd]

Ding ding dinggggg. New parts arrival.

First lovely parts are the Iron Rock 1/4 inch spacers for the 8.8 flange. I bought 4 since i didnt want to have to little. I talked to someone over at Iron Rock and they said theyve used 4 with no issues and i combed the forums and heard the same there. As usual Iron Rock goes an extra step and included long enough hardware to use all 4 spacers. Thats not listed in any description on the site.

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And the pretty stuff. My Under Cover Fab 8.8 and D30 DIY diff covers. Like Hulus they are pre bent and tacked. All they need is to have the finish welds done. I will say i was a little disapointed to get no coolstickers LOL. After opening the Iron Rock to find a bill print out and a nice new sticker and then open the UCF box to find 2 covers and hardware and nothing else. Its the little things haha.

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Since it needs to be water tight and once again Scuba wants to do the welds, he gets the job LOL. I guarentee he will make nicer welds than even Iron Rock would make. Hopefully tomorrow.

[mygrayzj]

Only problem with him making better welds is aren't Iron Rocks done by machine? I know your buddies are pretty god damn amazing (saw the pics, wish I could do it) but no human will beat a properly functioning machine lol

But who cares, GOOD SHIT! Now get it put on there lol

[HuLuD44]

No matter who does it once its welded fill it with water and let it sit over night just to be sure. Ask me how I know! ahahahaahah

[Goonies.nsd]

Only problem with him making better welds is aren't Iron Rocks done by machine? I know your buddies are pretty god damn amazing (saw the pics, wish I could do it) but no human will beat a properly functioning machine lol

But who cares, GOOD SHIT! Now get it put on there lol

Actually a good pro like Scuba can kick any machines ass when it comes to good welds. Machines have no feel LOL. And a small company like UCF probably does all the welding by hand to be honest.

[Goonies.nsd]

No matter who does it once its welded fill it with water and let it sit over night just to be sure. Ask me how I know! ahahahaahah

And oh yess. im familiar with the water test LOL.

[mygrayzj]

Actually a good pro like Scuba can kick any machines ass when it comes to good welds. Machines have no feel LOL. And a small company like UCF probably does all the welding by hand to be honest.

Hah, yeah like I said I saw the pics you posted, friggin' sweet welds. Maybe they do.. Didn't really think about just how expensive welding machines are lmao

[Hummeron37s]

Looks sweet so far, but looks awesome in person.

[Goonies.nsd]

Looks sweet so far, but looks awesome in person.

Posts like those make me really miss our "like" button LOL.

[Goonies.nsd]

More small items taken care of. I installed the 4 spacers for the 8.8 flange and it looks and works nice. My only dislike is that if i ever have to change out that shaft on the trail and try to get 4 bolts through the driveshaft and all 4 spacers i can see me spewing some colorful words LOL. Id like to weld them into one block but im concerned about the balance.

And sorry for the crummy pics. Ive been playin with the camera on my new Iphone but the flash is less than great.

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Also modded the shock perches from Iron Rock so they will no longer hang below the axle. I couldnt wait and welded them on. Not pretty but there not goin anywhere. Maybe Scuba can weld over my snot and make it pretty haha. But now the mounts are on and 2 inch lift shocks fit perfect. So i am using the shocks i bought from Cybergrunts Rough Country budget boost.

Passenger shock mount and shock in.

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Drivers mount is on but the bolts at the top snapped out and i didnt have hardware on hand. I did blow the snapped bolts out with my air hammer. Tomorrow ill get some 5/16s hardware and fish it in there.

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But as the pictures show..nothing hangs below the axle tube.

Quite a bit more small items to take care of. I didnt realize it was already the 26th. Go Topless is approaching fast. Hope i can get it road ready by then. Not gonna have all the goodies from the 92 moved over by then. Try to at least get it on the raod and the skids swapped over. I really want to give it some trials by fire locally. Of coarse theres no spots that are not hot as hell.

[565matt]

use the original rear sway bar link brakets as bar pin eliminators for thos upper shock mounts in the rear

[Goonies.nsd]

use the original rear sway bar link brakets as bar pin eliminators for thos upper shock mounts in the rear

Yeah i will eventually. I was actually looking at the floor board up there and considering running a straight piece of 2x2 box steel across and making a new mount that will also stiffen up the unibody as well. But for now they will go in stock.

[565matt]

Teaser Alert!!!!!... I just dropped off more goodies at planet for John!!!

[Goonies.nsd]

Matt brings me the nicest TREASURES!!!!!

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[orangecrush4u]

Got some Warness did ya!!

[Goonies.nsd]

Got some Warness did ya!!

Yup. Gotta find and old style Warn control set. Its missing, but beggers cant be chooseres LOL. It has the old round style plug. I havent looked to hard yet. But the new warns have a plug with a flat edge on 1 side. Gonna have to do some searching.

[orangecrush4u]

There has to be some out there with what ya need.

[tntmonstertrucks]

You can get those plugs at some auto parts stores its a round small trailer plug with 4 wires? I had thaat on my old warn. They have odd plug end in the standard elec book then you can make it as long as you want

[Goonies.nsd]

Once again Scuba finds ways to amaze me. He welded up my DIY diff covers from UCF and knocked out Tat2dfreaks D44 as well. Im gonna wire wheel these covers and leave them be, there that nice. I mite even just paint them with clear coat rather than a colored paint LOL.

OO member johnnygiuffre was there and got some schoolin from Scuba. And another OO member JustinGB came soon after and thought i had ground down the welds smooth LOL. Scuba was flattered by the compliments haha.

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[Tat2dfreak]

Very very nice, hope my axle turned out just as nice.

[mygrayzj]

That is beautiful, now ya gotta put it on lol

[565matt]

nice stack of dimes

[Goonies.nsd]

I cleaned all the weld splatter of the diff covers and painted them up all nice. Also primed the axles in the truck with the first coat. Pulled the front flares off since they are rubbing a bit and trimmed a little off the bottom rear well of the front fenders. And made up steel brake line extensions for the front brakes. So there plumbed but i still need to bleed them. Got side tracked and ran out of play time LOL.

[Goonies.nsd]

Just sold the 8.25 rear out of the 99 for $200. So build cost MINUS = $200. Nice.

[orangecrush4u]

Good deal Its hard for me to sell but I need to thin out some stuff too.

[Goonies.nsd]

Good deal Its hard for me to sell but I need to thin out some stuff too.

Well i have another late model 8.25 still in the blue 97. So i still have one to hoard LOL.


On a progress note. replaced the steel brake line that runs down the frame rail to the rear and bled the rear. Also bled the fronts. So now i have full brakes with rusty rear rotors that pulsate LOL. Im going to get new pads and rotors for the rea and i will replace the axle seal that is now leaking and install the UCF diff cover at that time. Until then i need to do the exhaust. And fine tune the alignment. Lotsa painting to do underneath. List is getting smaller and the jobs as well. But then one final big thing. Going to the damn DMV to register it.

[mygrayzj]

Going to the damn DMV to register it.

5 of the worst words to ever be muttered. HAVE FUN WITH THAT ONE JOHN!! Lmao hopefully you can get it done quick and painlessly

[Goonies.nsd]

Painted up the truss.

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welded up the exhaust. Did alot of chopping to get the cat further forward and the O2 so the Flowmaster will fit and have room for the turn down.

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And my front extended brake lines. I extended the steel lines by about 6 inches and lowered the mount on the frame rail. Cheapy way to do it LOL.

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[egodfrey]

Coming out real nice John.

Cant wait too see it at rausch.

[HuLuD44]

Rausch is right around the corner! Build faster ahahah So whats still left to do?

[Goonies.nsd]

Rausch is right around the corner! Build faster ahahah So whats still left to do?

More thanh i care to list LOL. Not much needed to drive it daily. But alot if i want it to kick some ass at Raush.

Rear brakes
Diff covers.
Move over skids and trailer hitch.
Move over bumper.
Rear axle seal.
Register it.
Trim fenders as needed.
I wont have the winch ready in time.
Im sure more. Clocks ticking and times running out LOL.

[evilpersona]

you can do it john. i have faith in your abilities. and ps the truck looks awesome

[HuLuD44]

U have Just over 2 weeks! Get a move on! ahahahah

[Goonies.nsd]

Installed the other rear shock finally LOL. Also did some undercoating and welded in 2 heavy duty universal exhaust hangers to finish off the exhaust. Bought new rear pads and rotors yesterday. Waiting until i do the diff covers and the axle seal in the rear. Also developed the first loud clunk haha. Loose upper control arm bolt. So i went around and retightened all the bolts. Growing pains that will come up with all the new parts.

[orangecrush4u]

You need a good test run after your all done.

[Goonies.nsd]

You need a good test run after your all done.


Tell me about it. Ill be honest, between the lack of time and the bills all rollin in at the beginning of the month. I may get it finished in time for the 19th but i may not have the money to go LOL.

[orangecrush4u]

I hear ya, my truck still in the garage and Im spending $$ on it and now work on both of my cabins......:jawdrop:

[Goonies.nsd]

Well im sad to say im not gonna be taking the 99 to Go Topless. Not because i cant have it ready. But lack of cash LOL. I will be lucky to have the extra money to register it next week. That being said i did get some work done the last week. Mostly just removing some of the skids from the 92 and cleaning them up and painting them. I painted the front skid but im waiting to get the alignment on the 99 dialed in before i install it. Kind a pain to align with the skid. But the trailer hitch / gas skid on the other hand could be installed. I yanked the rear bumper and opened the frame rail holes up for easir access and to put strips of steel in the rail to strengthen the mounting of the hitch.

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As i was digging for hardware i found an old fullsize Chevy front tow hook. So i figured id see how it would fit. Not only did it look great but the holes lined up to the trailer hitch mounting holes. Any extra recovery point is a plus.

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Left the bumper off for the night. I want to paint some stuff underneath. I also found another goodie i forgot i had. A direct plug in 4 pin trailer wire harness. Plugs rite into the drivers tailight wiring harness. I saved it off the 98 XJ we parted last year. I didnt own a later model XJ at the time but my hoarder instincts could predict the future LOL. Not that its so hard to wire up trailer lights. But i had the 92 for alomost 6 years and i "never got around to it" LOL.

[mygrayzj]

Looking good. I might be in the same boat as you as far as Go Topless goes.. :/ FINISH IT UP!!!! What else do you really have left to make it good mechanically?

[Goonies.nsd]

Looking good. I might be in the same boat as you as far as Go Topless goes.. :/ FINISH IT UP!!!! What else do you really have left to make it good mechanically?

I can drive it daily now, just need the alignment done. Its all bolt ons and swapping parts from the 92 from here on. Could use a good wash and wax. Theres a nice black paint job under the grime. Needs a good compounding. But it will all be a waste when i scratch it up LOL. Then its time for some form of camo paint scheme.

[orangecrush4u]

Nice camo :) I have my stencil kit if you want to borrow it.

[HuLuD44]

If u really cant make this run, Ill be heading back in July with a bunch of the CT guys... That tow point is a nice touch!

[Tat2dfreak]

Camo is so place out, leave it alone.

[Goonies.nsd]

Camo is so place out, leave it alone.

Im not dead set on Camo yet. But i wont leave it black. I am a little tired of Camo too. If i go that route it will not be a normal scheme. But im open to ideas bounced around :playball: I also may buy a gun set and work up some painting skills. No rush though. Im not making a decision soon anyway.

[Goonies.nsd]

If u really cant make this run, Ill be heading back in July with a bunch of the CT guys... That tow point is a nice touch!

I would love to do one of those CT runs. All the pics youve posted looked awesome.

[Goonies.nsd]

Quick before i left for the day stuff. Bumper back on......Hook is a little closer to the bumper than i thought it would be, but like i said its a secondary recovery point. The more the better.

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Axle seal still needs doing in the rear 8.8 so im holding off on the cover swap there. But no reason to wait on the D30.

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Next week it will hopefully get registered. But theres plenty more to do.

Also debating on swipin the old credit card again. Ive said it before and ill say it again. I dont like the fenderless hacking most do to fit big meats on XJs. I understand why people do the fender hack and wont cast judgment :tape2: But i want the Bushwacker flat fender flares. But there so damn pricey. Well there running some specilas on them. Like $350 with free shipping and then a $50 rebate from Bushwacker. So for like $300 i can get them. I could wait but i want to trim my fenders and you dont get to put the metal back LOL. I dont want to over trim. Gotta think this over. Its more of a WANT than a NEED thing. But at this point im still between $2500 and $3000 on the total build. Not bad for what it is. But this will push it over $3000 for sure. More thinking to do LOL.

[HuLuD44]

Yea the price if those fenders is insane! There is a different route to go. Check out the bendable flares from rustys. They are super high clearance, made to bend on impact, and are way cheaper than Walletwackers... I would def do these if I had and XJ!

http://www.rustysoffroad.com/jeep-exterior-parts-accessories/jeep-body-panels-fender-flares-tire-covers/rustys-flares-rustys-xj-flex-flares.html

[joe]

awsome

[Goonies.nsd]

Yea the price if those fenders is insane! There is a different route to go. Check out the bendable flares from rustys. They are super high clearance, made to bend on impact, and are way cheaper than Walletwackers... I would def do these if I had and XJ!

http://www.rustysoffroad.com/jeep-exterior-parts-accessories/jeep-body-panels-fender-flares-tire-covers/rustys-flares-rustys-xj-flex-flares.html

I just looked at them. There still $300 for a set of 4and there not the nice flat fender style i like. The $179 price is for just 2. I can get the Bushwackers for i think it worked out to be $302 with shipping for 4.

[HuLuD44]

True. Miss read that. ahhah. Still like the way they look. I love the chopped xj look. And the flex part is def key. Bushwackers break very easily. My ex had them on her XJ and busted them up just by rubbing a tree. But the flats would save u the cutting...

[Goonies.nsd]

True. Miss read that. ahhah. Still like the way they look. I love the chopped xj look. And the flex part is def key. Bushwackers break very easily. My ex had them on her XJ and busted them up just by rubbing a tree. But the flats would save u the cutting...

If the Rustys where $179 for 4 that would be ordered LOL. 565matt has the flatfenders on his and they look great. And there is some trimming invloved so they do increase room.

[565matt]

I would love to do one of those CT runs. All the pics youve posted looked awesome.

ditto on that one.. especially since those are my old stomping grounds

[565matt]

I got a lot more room when I put on the flat fenders. If you can get them for just over 3bills hurry up and order them I think mine were close to 450. But I use some of the insurance money for them...lol

[565matt]

Those diff covers are so damn sexy. I just might have to swipe a credit card for a set.

[egodfrey]

ditto on that one.. especially since those are my old stomping grounds

I ran Ma-bell once, was an amazing time

[HuLuD44]

Id love to run Ma bell. On the subject of offroad places, got the scoop on another spot in lower NH I wanna hit. Its taken care of by NOVA, not sure what it takes to access but I have the directions.... Its suppose to be pretty hardcore.

[Goonies.nsd]

Bushwacker Flat fender flares ordered. $352.82 with free shipping and another $50 when i mail in the Bushwacker rebate. Total = $302.82. Figure if im going all out. Go big and sexy.

In stock and should be here in 5 to 7 days.

[HuLuD44]

Very nice. Jeeps gonna look mean.

[orangecrush4u]

Bushwacker Flat fender flares ordered. $352.82 with free shipping and another $50 when i mail in the Bushwacker rebate. Total = $302.82. Figure if im going all out. Go big and sexy.

In stock and should be here in 5 to 7 days.

It should look badazz!!!!!!

[mygrayzj]

Nice nice nice nice nice. S'gonna be a nice ass XJ

[565matt]

gonna look nice... hhahahaha now stop stealing ideas from my xj...lol

[Goonies.nsd]

gonna look nice... hhahahaha now stop stealing ideas from my xj...lol

Only the good ideas LOL. And you can thank Bill (cybergrunt). He gave me the heads up that Bushwacker had the deal goin. I wasnt lookin to get them anytime soon.

[565matt]

sweet deal ... a lot better than i paid for them

[Goonies.nsd]

MMMM MMMMM sexy. Blown away. They told ne 5 to 7 business days for delivery. Took 3 through Fed EX.

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Removed the stock flares after work and some of the cladding. Time to cut LOL.

[Goonies.nsd]

LR flare down, 3 to go. learning curve done. Tedious installation. But i hate reading directions and scratching my head LOL. It looks good. Just gotta do 3 more.

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Build log note.......ordered X2 1 inch wheel spacers for the 8.8. Cost = $45.00 with shipping. Just keeping track so when i go back and add up all the parts ordered i know LOL.

[LIsurfcasters]

How much do you have to trim for the flat fenders? How much clearance did you gain after the installation?

[Goonies.nsd]

How much do you have to trim for the flat fenders? How much clearance did you gain after the installation?

Ive only trimmed the rear so far. You gain about a half inch off the top. The flares mount to the existing top 3 flare holes. the rest are drilled. But you gain alot at the front and rear of the well. You trim a large chunk and then there some pizza slicing involved on the front and back. You then fold it over. The flares cover it all and you dont even notice the trimming. Ill post some pics when i do the right rear now that i can do it without double checking the directions 30 times.

[orangecrush4u]

Those look great!!!, did you prep the metal after you trimmed them.

[Goonies.nsd]

Those look great!!!, did you prep the metal after you trimmed them.


Yeah the pizza slicing and bending it over created alot of paint, flaking down to pure metal. I hit the area with a wire wheel on my grinder and shot the hole area with flat black primer.

[orangecrush4u]

If ya get the chance before hitting it with primer shoot it with cold gavinising then when it dryis hit it with primer. It will hold up much better and it is a rust blocker.

[Church]

Those flat flares look really nice, kind of tempting me to get a set